The Butcher Shop

A: How's the prom?

Gary Hill: Yeah, very

K: Well, we'd be cheating on the sheriff.

K: Do some dancing?

Gary Hill: Why do you care?

Mike Maryman: Hey who I care.

K: You go you don't think it I know what you're doing, do you? What? What going to the banker lady's house for

K: Popcorn, pillow talk, going hunting. What did you do night? Did you go someplace nice for dinner?

Mike Maryman: Did you?

K: Have a few drinks.

K: You don't think I'd like to get out some night have a nice meal? Spend one night not thinking about the girls. You know what I did tonight? I'll tell you what I did. I spent it right here trying to figure out if Slipstitchin' or bastin' is the best way to put on a sparkly heart because you knew what

Mike Maryman: What?

K: I don't know how George's gonna be here tomorrow.

K: Masson's not gotten all the way through her song. Numbers are all over the place. Nobody can keep the beat.

K: And I'm scared to death that Jency is gonna drop her baton and fry like one of them Buddhist monks. They're I thought this was a partnership.

K: You know what I don't see?

K: I don't see no keys to the bank. Fine, Wayne, let's

Mike Maryman: Yeah.

J: You come pretending.

Mike Maryman: Okay.

K: Kiss early in the relationship with So now it's too happy.

K: Where Every time we start to have a nice talk, you gotta go.

K: You know what? Maybe I'll just go do the bank myself.

Mike Maryman: Okay, Wayne.

Mike Maryman: You go do the bang.

K: First I gotta make little polka dotted flowers for the girls hat.

H: Right.

Mike Maryman: Lord. For bringing us this general.

Mike Maryman: Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me all the bacon and eggs you have.

Gary Hill: Hello folks, welcome to the Cinema Beef Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill, and uh with me, uh, as usual, is uh Mr. Mike Merriman. How you doing, sir?

Mike Maryman: What's up? I'm here to try to avoid melting.

Mike: Outside.

Gary Hill: It's bad you're telling me a hundred and three degrees in in the California area. That's uh that's rough.

Mike Maryman: Yeah, usually we're not hitting those temps until July, but I think last year we had one of the more mild summers, I can recall.

Gary Hill: So

Mike Maryman: Of course it's coming back with a vengeance.

Gary Hill: Well my my my buddy DJ Golden Brown, I was talking to him today and he said that, you know, once there's plenty of cerveases for the for the World Cup, he's okay. He don't care how this g gets out there, see? It's uh

Mike Maryman: Yeah, it's not a bad plan.

Gary Hill: Yes indeed. Uh uh, with me he usually if she's here right now is Lady Suzanne. How you doing?

Suzanne: Oh, doing well. Hoping the storm's passed and I don't have to bail out my basement.

Gary Hill: Yeah, that sucks. But your cubby's one, so there's that, you know.

Suzanne: Oh I know, and uh that was when we were starting to get the earlier p power outages with the sixty mile an hour winds.

Gary Hill: Yay.

Suzanne: Yay!

Gary Hill: And also with us tonight and uh certainly not least of course, um you know'em, you've heard'em. If you haven't, what are you doing with your life? Uh, my friend from the Detroit area, um, Mr Michael White, how you doing, sir?

Mike: I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me back, Air.

Gary Hill: Oh man, you're always welcome. Uh thanks for coming back, man. You just you put up with me all the time. I love it, man.

Mike Maryman: Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Gary Hill: But yeah, uh same way we started my show. I'll I'll ask you our our guest, Mr. Mike White, what you been watching lately.

Mike: Uh well, other than stuff for the uh the the podcast

Mike: plural, I should say, that I do. Um yeah, well I just got back from the uh Nitrate Picture Show film festival out in uh Rochester, New York, where it's all stuff shown on nitrate

Mike: uh stock and yeah it's uh spectacular stuff. It just looks absolutely gorgeous. Um so yeah I think I saw I think I saw ten movies while I was out there over a long weekend.

Mike: Um, my favorite of all of those was probably 1939's Midnight.

Mike: which stars um Claudette Colbert, Donna Michi, John Barrymore, and uh Mary Astor. And it was hilarious. So seeing that in a packed theater with 500 people, Just there for the the experience and seeing this show all movie fans, it was a glorious, glorious time.

Gary Hill: Sorry.

Mike: Nice.

Mike: Sorry. I no problem. I can keep vamping if you want, but

Gary Hill: Go for it, man.

I: Ha ha ha.

Mike: Also saw some other good things out there including uh

Mike: What was the very first one that they showed was a Cecil B de Mill comedy, which I never really realized that he'd done comedies and it was called Why Change Your Wife? And it was with uh Gloria Swanson.

Mike: And basically the uh the through line is bitches be crazy. So that was it it didn't say that on the title cards, but that was pretty much what it was. Um but yeah, it was it was fantastic to see that. Very, very funny.

Mike: Um, and then they ended the festival with their what they call the blind date with nitrate where they won't even tell you what the movie is before the well, they won't tell you at all. The curtain opens and then you get to see what it is.

Mike: And they played Cocteau's Orpheus. So seeing that on the big screen was a real treat. Uh of all the Cocteaux I've seen so far, I'd never seen that on the big screen. And actually I'd never seen it at all.

Mike: And being such a David Lynch fan, it was so nice to see that and see

Mike: kind of where Lynch got some of his uh tropes from. So there were a couple things where I was like, oh, okay. Like there's these gloves that you have to put on in order to go to the underworld. And it kind of reminded me of the kid with the green glove and Twin Peaks The Return. I was like

Mike: Okay, yeah, I can see some of this. So that it was again very, very fun to see.

Gary Hill: In effort to make myself more cultured, I I I recently got a Criterion channel subscription, so I write stuff like this down for s just stuff to watch'cause I'm I'm my the shameless is really long.

Gary Hill: So

Gary Hill: turn myself on the new things, you know, which is great. Oh, um I have a question. What what is what is this nitrate business? Wha what is what is the process for this or

Mike: You mean what is nitrate itself?

Gary Hill: Yeah, what it what it what do you what do they what it makes these movies special?

Mike: Oh, so nitrate stock, it's um you're probably most familiar with it from the film Inglorious Bastards. I always go back to that because that's the most recent one to have nitrate in it. It is incredibly flammable.

Mike: And that's how, um, what was her name? Loanna Lowenstein. I can't remember the the main female character in that, the only female character in that.

Mike: blows up that theater with um uh Hitler inside, she uses nitrate uh film to explode the theater.

Mike: So this was super dangerous, very subta susceptible to burning. And when a nitrate fire starts, it cannot be put out with anything. Not baking soda, definitely not water. Nothing works on it. And if you remember

Mike: Back in the old days before they had light bulbs that could emit proper light to show a film, they would use burning tungsten rods. Um, so literal rods of tungsten that were just there.

Mike: lit up super uh bright because of the the the heat they were throwing off. So you get that pretty much open flame meets ex uh flammable explosive material.

Mike: Uh there were some bad things that used to happen in the day. But um they're not using tungsten anymore. They are using light bulbs, but these prints are all

Mike: You know, the the like I said, the the why change your wife was from nineteen twenty six. This is the original print from nineteen twenty six. So you're seeing these things and I have to say that the image quality of nitrate.

Mike: It's so much better than safety film. The a few years ago they showed us uh the third man and they showed us

Mike: The whole movie on nitrate, which was just incredible, especially the sewer chase. I mean, everything looked wonderful. And then they showed us a scene on safety film, which is what we would normally see things on back when they used film before digital.

Mike: And it was like the difference between sitting across from someone and seeing them in real life or looking across at a photograph of them. The safety film is just so flat and the nitrate is just such a rich image.

Gary Hill: It's a real miracle those those prints still exist actually.

Mike: Oh, yeah. This is definitely a festival of conservation and preservation and just kind of spreading the word. So they get prints in from all over.

Mike Maryman: Of the world.

Mike: Uh, they usually have uh at least one Japanese movie. There was no Japanese movie this time, but they did have prints imported from I think it was Portugal was the this was the first time we had seen things from the Portuguese um

Mike: uh center and um it was a film called a la arriba. It was about these fishermen from the north of Portugal. It was kind of like um uh

Mike: like a docudrama, like a it felt very Robert Flarty kind of the stuff. So it was yeah. It so you're also seeing stuff that is just not your typical run in the mill thing. They're not showing like, you know, the the popular movies. They you usually will pro

Mike: program something popular for like the Sunday morning. So this year it was The Adventures of Tom Sawyer from 1938. So that was nice to see. And again, looks really good. James Wong Hao was the DP on it.

Gary Hill: and it

Mike: the he was able to bring a real it was almost like a painterly quality to it. It was technicolor, but it was not that garish technicolor. It was much more muted, much more pastel. It was really beautiful.

Gary Hill: Cool. Yeah, this is all it's all fascinating. I love it. Oh man. Um next up the other mic, Mr. Mike Maryman. Would you what'd you watch, man?

Mike Maryman: All right, so

Mike: Uh

Mike Maryman: I'll start with a television show, um, because I don't watch uh a lot of shows anymore, at least not like scripted long series TV shows, but I did start watching Widows Bay, I think after I had been

Mike Maryman: out for a couple weeks, so I played a little catch-up. It's on Apple TV. And man, I've really been digging it. It's it's just about at the end of the season. I think there was the latest episode yesterday in the finale's next week.

Mike Maryman: And uh it's kind of like a s the setup kind of reminds me of uh John Carpenter's The Fog. There's like an island with some some lore on it, uh some type of curse.

Mike Maryman: and you're slowly figuring out what's going on or what the rules of it are, why and all that kind of stuff. And last week's episode, episode eight, did a really good homage to like eighty slashers, kinda like Michael Myers

Mike Maryman: crossed with Jason specifically. Um, it was really well done. A lot better than like a lot of the remakes and reboots and reimaginings and whatever else they call'em these days did.

Mike Maryman: Um and uh actually about an hour ago or two hours ago I just learned that it got renewed for a second season. So that's good news for any fans watching that. So that was Widows Bay.

Mike Maryman: Let's see, what else do I have? I the I I recorded twice in a week, so I gotta make sure I don't go too far back to stuff I talked about last episode. Um

Mike Maryman: I watched Rituals. This is not a first time watch, but this is from 1977. It's it's kind of caught up in like the post deliverance.

Mike Maryman: uh survivalist wilderness.

Suzanne: Good movie. I s I bought the second somebody got a print together, you could still see the fire damage, but still a fantastic movie.

Mike Maryman: Oh yeah. And even see with rituals how it's kind of actually morphing into like slasher or like prototype for early

Mike Maryman: slashers, um, the way they kind of craft the villains in it. And there's even some suggestion I I think they were like saying that it could be like some medical malpractice revenge stuff.

Mike Maryman: going on'cause of what we get towards the end when they find their shack or their cabin or whatever it was. But

Mike Maryman: Not a first time watch. I've seen it like once or twice through the years. Um but working from home a lot of times I will look for stuff to throw on that I might have seen once or twice that way.

Mike Maryman: it can kind of just be on while I'm working. Um this next one from nineteen eighty four, Silent Madness. This is also a slasher movie. Um An escaped patient from a mental hospital.

Mike Maryman: Runs amuck in town. I mean, if you haven't heard that set up from a slasher movie before, you're probably not much of a slasher watcher. But the interesting thing about this one is it was originally filmed in 3D. So as I'm watching it, it's like

Mike Maryman: And you see like some of the kills, it's so obvious that it's meant to be watched in three D'cause it just kinda looks goofy in the two D version. Kinda similar to Friday the thirteenth at the beginning when

Mike Maryman: You're seeing like stuff poked at the camera or like the yo yo scene that for no reason it's like a long shot of him with his yo yo and it's like, what's the purpose of this? Well, in three D it probably made

Mike Maryman: a lot more sense. But it was a it was a pretty fun slasher. Nothing groundbreaking. From what I read in eighty four, this w I guess this was like the start of like a next wave'cause the original

Mike Maryman: crop of them it started to like slow down a little bit. Because 84 was also Nightmare on Almond Street. So yeah, it looks like another a wave of them was starting. Uh the next one Uh this was A sci fi movie.

Mike Maryman: From I I want to say it was released this year called Sync, and this was about um some new technology in like the near horizon that uh lets you form like a mental sink with someone in order to like form better bonds and friendships.

Mike Maryman: Uh this was an interesting movie, uh like a lower budget independent movie that I thought was like pretty good, pretty high concept. I would I would probably

Mike Maryman: throw it in with like uh maybe a mid tier Black Mirror episode. Like it it wa it didn't blow me away, but because of the concept I I did

Mike Maryman: what uh it had to say. Um and then I guess I'll finish it off with one I just watched before recording today, and that is the black exploitation film Hell Up in Harlem.

Mike Maryman: This was yeah, this was super fun and like with black exploitation it's like they

Mike Maryman: If for people not familiar, they could be pigeonholed and there's all sorts of different kinds, all different styles. This one is like your basic shoot'em up setup. It's like you got

Mike Maryman: the mafia, you've got uh revenge, and you've got bullets flying and lots of people dying. And I really got a kick out like at the end

Mike Maryman: Um our main character goes to uh take out some of the remaining members and he's I believe it's the streets of New Yeah, obviously Harlem. So it's in New York but

Mike Maryman: uh he takes out guys like in the middle of eating hot dogs from a hot dog stand so the cat just shoots to them with hot like the hot dog and the hot dog bun in their mouth as they're dead on the ground. But

Mike Maryman: Uh super fun movie. Um, I liked it a lot, very entertaining and you know, kind of like easy comfort stuff, nothing too intricate in the plot, just a very basic revenge uh setup, so

Mike Maryman: If you're into that, check out Hell Up in Harlem. It's currently streaming on Prime, so I'll leave it at those ones.

Suzanne: Oh god, let's see. I've I've pretty much just finished out a couple of series. They finished finally finished Sinners with Bill Pullman.

Suzanne: really just enjoy I I didn't really think much of Bill Pullman when he was younger. But as an older actor, he's really got just a

Suzanne: thing unto himself. So that was a pretty damn enjoyable. And I watched The Burrows. He was also in the Burrows. So if you get a chance, that one's on Netflix.

Suzanne: It's a great cast. It's from the the Duffer brothers for the producers, but

Suzanne: It set in a retirement home with Alfred Nolina, Gina Davis, a a a lot of actors that you would recognize. It's a great little miniseries if you're ever just down

Suzanne: And the other night I hadn't watched Aris Texas again. And it's just one of those movies. It's it's bleak. Not bleak, bleak.

Suzanne: It it really toys with your emotions the whole time. And I appreciate it. It actually made me cry a little bit, which I don't watch movies that make me cry. That's, you know, my my rule.

Suzanne: But that watching the Cubs lose a lot once a day, which was nice.

Gary Hill: All right, my turn. Uh nothing here for s for sea well, I take that back. I re watch Blo I rewatched Blood Simple, um, second time ever and

Gary Hill: Um Cohen Brothers debut and it's a great debut. And uh I always forget that John Getz shows up and things that he's not a dick. But he he wasn't really a dick in this movie. He was kinda like, you know Making things happen for Francis McDerm Francis McDermott and I'm fine with that and

Gary Hill: I just love these and a and a and then the wall shot rolls where you feel the feel the slime coming up the screen. That's how stare it is.

Gary Hill: Uh but yeah, it's a great rewa rewatch. I watched it on the Criterion channel.

Gary Hill: Um what I didn't mention, we w we're gonna get to this eventually. I love this stupid fucking movie about a videotape. Um

Gary Hill: Remote Jeff Lieberman's remote control was on Criterion Channel too. He had a spotlight on VHS or something on there and If you haven't seen before it's got Kevin d Kevin Dillon in it and a very cute Deborah Goodrich and a very cute Jennifer Tilly in it and basically it's about a videotape that is

Gary Hill: that makes the watchers want to kill the people that that they're in the room with and um it's before the ring so I can't say it's first of its kind ever but I'll say that the the pre pre um

Gary Hill: It presupposed the ring. But it does it a lot more eighties style and silly. I mean the wardrobes in this film are insane and um one day I would love to do it'cause it's just it's just that that fun

Gary Hill: eighties vibe horror film that I could show to people and they either really like it or not like it. I I uh

Gary Hill: I put it there with with shopping mall where I'll show I can turn that off for people and they can you know see how they feel. Well you were still friends after they watched shopping mall, put it that way, you know. Um

Gary Hill: I saw it'cause I was going to um The Masters of the Universe, the the new one. Uh

Gary Hill: That's that's a movie that exists and it br and I get people why they love it so much. It brings a lot of your childhood

Gary Hill: cartoon to life, you know, on the screen. It's all there and in living color doing stuff.

Gary Hill: But when you got comedy that doesn't work in the film.

Gary Hill: And they they just keep trying the same comedy over and over again to see, Hey G do you get the joke that this guy's called pista because he he fisted somebody uh somewhere? Yeah, they it's the same joke three times I think in this movie.

Gary Hill: Uh it's it's it's it gets really silly and not not not in a good way.

Mike Maryman: I I didn't see the new one but my friend did and he said like Through the first forty five minutes he was like worried that the movie's gonna be terrible, but it kinda rebounded in the like last hour or so.

Gary Hill: Well yeah, once you start doing stuff, you know,'cause you got uh big highlight for me, you know, spoilers, um Ke Man fights the beast man uh on a on a freeway off ramp. I really dug that quite a bit.

Gary Hill: There's lots of little throwbacks on.

Mike Maryman: Oh no, I was gonna say I almost threw on the uh Dolph Lungern one today before I ended up throwing on uh Hell Up in Harlow.

Gary Hill: It's still better. And I don't care if people say that this isn't it's not as good as the as the new one or something. I haven't heard people say that yet, but I'm waiting for them to say that.

Gary Hill: And I'll ask him to say, explain to me why that's true.

Suzanne: Because Dolph Lungrin is hot. Okay? That's why.

Gary Hill: Well th there's that for you, but you know, there's there's real peril in that movie. There's n there's like nothing here. Even when things are going bad, they're making stupid jokes and this is

Gary Hill: This is like my problem with the film. It's not the casting. I love Beadress Elba. I I I love e even ev even Jared Leto's okay. I don't think he's great in this movie, you know?

Gary Hill: I just got a Tron Aries where I said, You know what? You really liked them in Tron Aries,'cause they they made you like'em and that's fine.

Gary Hill: Hemoskeletor is is not is not the best.

Gary Hill: But you know, the the side characters are are are where it's at and basically the best iteration of this s story is to watch the uh

Gary Hill: There was a cartoon network Cartoon Network series in the early two thousands. I'd say look for that if you really want to flesh out these characters and enjoy yourself. And um

Suzanne: Well I'm just curious, did Jared Leto play like She Raw?

Gary Hill: No, he played a a a voice, I think, or or a synthesized voice of himself,'cause he it was all CG, the skull face. Uh-huh.

Mike: Yeah.

Gary Hill: Allison Bree as evil end wasn't so bad either, but I I have a thing for Allison Bree so'cause Gary's got a type. I I can't understand these things, but uh

H: Mm-hmm.

Gary Hill: Last thing I watched the new Cape Fear thing on Apple T V and this is fine. It goes

Gary Hill: It goes to some places. It was to some gory places, which is which is great. If you love if you love Javier Bardem, you know, which I do, I'm here for it.

Gary Hill: Well you got Patrick Wilson and Amy Adams like laying there like a dead fish, like making bad southern accents and stuff. I just I mean it goes in and out the southern accents and

Gary Hill: They're better actors than this. To be doing this and

Gary Hill: But Javier is real good though, and I think he got pretty jacked for this role. So when he starts like getting brutal with with things and in some of these in it's only two episodes out now, I think right now. So

Gary Hill: There's a prison scene where he gets pretty brutal and I I recommend this to any gore hound in the world because uh he gets attacked and shit happens, I'll put it that way. It uh

Gary Hill: Go uh check that out if you want to watch that. But um yeah, your your lead actors are not very good. And I'm gonna keep watching for Javier though,'cause I'm I'm having a good time with him.

Mike: Yeah.

Mike Maryman: I watched the first two episodes of the Cape Fear show and Do you do you find that the story is a little bit busy?'Cause like

Gary Hill: Well they gotta they gotta stretch it out for TV, you know, which is you know, they're trying.

Mike Maryman: Yeah. Yeah, and I I I understand like as I'm watching it, like I understand

Mike Maryman: You don't want I mean, I I'm assuming they didn't wanna just do a straight like remake where every story element's the same. So I get it, but it's like when they start going into like

Mike Maryman: backstories and like plots and I'm just like you don't really need to overcomplicate this story. Like it's it's it's a pretty simple e like either original and even Scorsese when he

Mike Maryman: Did the remake, he they kept it pretty easy and simple. So maybe it's the fact that they're stretching it into like a TV series that they felt the need to like add different Combining layers to it.

Gary Hill: I mean even C C H Pounder who's an actress I'll I'll enjoy anything. I I

Gary Hill: People say Robocop three sucks and I'll say, Well look at all the good character actors. So yeah, that's your your your your conversation is null and void in my opinion, but you know, you like what you like.

Gary Hill: You mean she she brought some heat to that. Like here she's like doing nothing and I don't like that in my C C H Founder. I don't I don't like that.

Gary Hill: I'll leave my watch to that. I I watch other things too, but it it's it is what it is. Um but today, tonight.

Gary Hill: For uh episode one of this actually. We're gonna do two of these this month. We celebrate uh Master Thusby and all around usually a good guy, Mr Steve Steves on and I'm I'm looking forward to these.

Gary Hill: And uh first up we're doing happy Texas.

Gary Hill: And out of sight in a series I call Steve Zahn needs better friends because he does need better friends. He gets really shitty friends in these movies. And you know, he deserves better in my opinion. But uh

Gary Hill: Uh first up we'll do Happy Texas. Um and we will do that right after this trailer.

Mike: Coast is clear.

K: Let's do it.

Mike: Small time cons on the lamb or running.

Mike: Very unfortunate.

Mike: Getaway.

A: Somebody stole our dump.

Mike Maryman: But no one is looking for a pageant-producing couple in happy

Gary Hill: Texas

K: You must be the pageant people.

Mike Maryman: I'm Steven.

K: I'm the other one, David.

Gary Hill: Maybe.

Mike: Now to hold on to their freedom.

K: Can we do the bang now?

Mike Maryman: Can't rob a bank if we're hosting a beauty pageant, can you?

Mike: These guys.

Mike: We'll do just about anything.

E: Would you like to try to follow what it did?

Mike: And in the process they discovered.

K: No thanks.

A: Find happiness in the strangest places.

K: Thank you guys.

J: Slap it.

Gary Hill: Happy Texas from nineteen ninety nine, uh the year of my graduation. So there's that, you know.

Gary Hill: Um three prisoners escape, two end up in Happy Texas, where they are they're mistaken for a gay couple expected there to help a small help with the smaller girls beauty pat beauty pageant.

Gary Hill: As the two are paid a thousand dollars they decide to stay until the heat is gone. It's a lot of plot it's a lot of plot synopsis right there, but yeah. It's that it's not a great one.

Gary Hill: But um we have some some principal cast members here. Uh Jeffrey Northam, which I know from from nothing, but he looks so familiar, um as Harry.

Gary Hill: Uh Steve's on of course has Wayne. Uh the great William H. Macy who was just in Chicago signing alcohol or something. I didn't know I w I would Yeah, as Chappie the sheriff.

Gary Hill: Uh Allie Walker who I know from Universal Soldier and not much else uh as Joe.

Mike Maryman: I saw that in the theater.

Gary Hill: Yeah.

Mike: Uh.

Gary Hill: I I love that this speaking of dolls, I love that goddamn movie. Um Some you talked to Mike before, uh the great Eliana Douglas as Mrs. Schaefer.

Gary Hill: The great MC Ganey as Bob Maslow. It's great everybody. Great great Ron Perlman as another sheriff, uh Nell Holber.

Gary Hill: Uh great comedian. I I've I've forgotten about this woman, Mo Gaffney, as says Mrs. Bromley.

Gary Hill: You watch these late nineties films, you remember these things and they just pop up. You know. And uh well that's what I'll measure this Paul Dooley, uh as as the judge. Always awesome, Paul Dooley. Um

Mike: Yeah.

Gary Hill: I I will kick it to um Suzanne first, uh happy Texas. Uh what'd you think, girl?

Suzanne: I have to admit it's just it's just really enjoyable.

Mike Maryman: All right, that sums it up.

Mike: Yeah, there you go.

I: 감사합니다.

Gary Hill: Продолжение следует...

Suzanne: Yeah.

Gary Hill: You hear the truth? We're losing you a lot, girl.

Suzanne: Thank you.

Gary Hill: Release.

Suzanne: Actually if I'm having issues it's you know what, I think I'm just gonna back out. No.

Gary Hill: No, no, I'm just saying we're losing a lot, that's all.

Suzanne: I know, I'm I'm don't know. It could be the storm.

Suzanne: Everything's been a

Gary Hill: Weather's bad, I know.

Suzanne: So in that case, you know, just scrap me from this and I'm just gonna back out.

Mike Maryman: Some of the others are good.

Gary Hill: Yeah you're good, yeah.

Mike: Yeah, of course now, yeah.

Suzanne: Yeah.

Gary Hill: If you if you wanna try it again while while while the getting's good, good go ahead. Two and a one.

Suzanne: Okay, yeah. Going really super fast. Enjoyable movie. Great character actors. Steve Zahn is the good friend in this movie.

Suzanne: And yeah, great. It is it's fun too. C Prison Escape and

Suzanne: Yep, they portray a gay couple and they pull it off well. And what I really remember Allie Walker from I know she was on a soap at one point.

Mike: Yeah.

Suzanne: Uh I can't I can't remember if it was all my children. I really can't remember, but I remember my friend was addicted to this show called Profiler.

Mike: Oh yeah, that was a great show.

Suzanne: It it was, but we couldn't go anywhere until after she watched it on Saturday night.

Suzanne: I mean we had dinner at my house one night and this is back in the you know, everybody's poor, nobody has cable, everybody's got like the you know, the Radio Shack antenna. I didn't have one, I had, you know, but about a ton and a half of VHS tape.

Suzanne: So she actually brought her antenna over so she could watch profile before we went out.

Suzanne: So yeah, she was highly addicted to that. But it's I I really love the way that they just g Steve Zod just kind of fell into being, you know, the pageant guy.

Suzanne: you know, learning all this stuff and really, you know, caring about the kids. It's like everybody here goes from being a not so nice guy with the exception of what's his face? Um, oh God, I can't believe it.

Suzanne: And it's it just really it you really can't call it a redemption thing, but it it's a great little comedy with a great cast. I'm glossing over a lot of stuff while you can still hear me.

Suzanne: And yeah, great movie. Enjoyed the hell out of it. Sec probably the second or third time I've seen it.

Suzanne: It's one of those movies I look at the title of it and it's like, yeah, I know I've seen that. I know I've seen that. And then you hit the you know, start it up like, oh yeah, I remember this. It's kind of got that quality to it for me.

Suzanne: So yeah, I'll end it there while I'm still heard.

Gary Hill: Yeah, sorry. Yeah, you're still great. Uh we'll kick it to you next, Mr. Michael White.

Mike: Yeah, so I saw this at the theater way back in nineteen ninety nine and

Mike: I don't know if you guys already had this on the books, but Gary, when you said, Oh, we're talking about Steve Zahn, I was like, Oh, I hope you're talking about Happy Texas. That one popped immediately to mind. I don't know if Zahn's ever had a solo poster.

Mike: before or since this film. I know he's been on posters with other people.

Mike: Uh or he might be on a poster in his uh ape guise from when he was uh was a bad ape in those uh couple um Planet of the Apes movies he was in.

Mike: Um, but yeah, Zahn is amazing in this. Jeremy Northam again, yeah, kind of like you. I

Mike: have seen the face and I couldn't really tell you what else he was in. Uh, but I think he plays

Mike: kind of the smarmy friend, pretty darn good, but then you really start to feel for him, especially the relationship he starts to build with William H. Macy. I mean, this movie it's

Mike: It's so it's it I shouldn't be affected by this nearly as much as I am. Because really when you look at it, it's like, oh, it's kind of stupid. But at the same time, I'm like, no, actually it's a really good

Mike: screwball comedy. It's like a screwball comedy from like the thirties or forties transported into nineteen ninety nine. Of course, I mean, I don't even want to say of course you couldn't have the gay stuff because I think you could, you could play with that.

Mike: uh back in that era, it wouldn't be nearly as

Mike: uh overt as it was uh in nineteen ninety nine and it didn't feel like gay panic stuff either, which was terrific. Um

Mike: Yeah, loved Allie Walker, loved Ileana Douglas, MC Ganey is always so good. And I was just so happy to see Ron Pearlman show up at the beginning and then his his return at the end is wonderful. And then uh Paul Dooley playing the judge.

Mike: And I just love him just trying to screw these guys out, Harry and Wayne, uh, out of their money, you know, you're gonna take a thousand, two thousand, you're gonna take half kind of thing that he does. And then yeah, um

Mike: Uh I I don't wanna correct you here, Gary, but uh I believe that Steve Zahn's character's name is Wayne Wayne Wayne Junior, if memory serves. So um

Gary Hill: I'm so sorry.

Mike: Which I love.

Mike: And he is off the the chain so often. I mean in the beginning scenes at the prison, but then that speech that it gives to Harry when he has so embraced

Mike: the pageant life and is now worried about the stitching and all those things. I just love how he doesn't want to disappoint the girls. And I also love his relationship with the one girl that he's teaching how to fight.

Mike: Just all of this stuff just comes together so well. And like you said, like, yeah, that's a lot of plot, but I love how all these lines just kind of intricately go from one to another.

Mike: And by the end of the film, you're like, everything's tied up in a bow and I'm absolutely now I'm the happy person, you know, and I kept wondering, how are they gonna get out of this? And when the movie ends the way it ends, I was very satisfied.

Gary Hill: Yeah, for sure, for sure, man. Uh Mr. Mike Merriman, what about you, sir?

Mike Maryman: Yeah, I mean I echo pretty much everything that's been said about so far, kind of like a small town comedy. I I like movies like this that kinda keep it a smaller story and

Mike Maryman: They actually treat characters in the small town with like respect. It's not just about, you know, making fun of the yokels here. Uh um Steve's on always a treat. I I think a lot of movies he's in

Mike Maryman: When he does even when he doesn't get top billing, he's kinda like the star of the show. Even when it's like comedic ensembles. Uh Will William H. Macy.

Mike Maryman: Always always great.

Mike Maryman: Um, I laughed a lot at this one, which it was funny because I this is the first time watched for me and when I looked it up when you had uh said uh we were gonna be doing it and I saw that it was PG thirteen and I was a little worried, like, okay

Mike Maryman: How soft is it gonna be? And you know, it's not like overly raunchy or anything, but it is fun. It it's just a funny movie. It it's like a comforting movie. And to me, when you when you make a movie set in a small town, uh to me that's

Mike Maryman: An important aspect a lot of times for comedy. The warmth in it is there. Um, even though like it's it's starting a couple of like prison escapees, like it it's still it's still uh

Mike Maryman: I think very very warm of a movie. Um, I think as the story goes, you just kinda like you like the characters more as

Mike Maryman: the movie goes on. And the fact that this cast is stacked with character actors, you kinda list them off already at the beginning, Gary, but it's just a lot of familiar faces that you get to see and it and it's cool.

Mike Maryman: To see some of them playing like different roles, like uh it it's funny that you uh Allie Walker'cause like I knew she had looked familiar and then once you said Universal Studios it like came back and the flesh is like, Oh yeah, that was her way

Mike Maryman: back then and I s like seen it as like a what preteen maybe even'cause I think that was like ninety one or ninety two or maybe ninety three, but somewhere very early on

Mike Maryman: for me. Um and then it came back right away.

Mike Maryman: Um, Iliana Douglas, like yeah, she keeps popping up in cinema beef uh shows, but always glad to see her. Ron Perlman, always a treat, always a presence on the screen there. But yeah, overall like I if a if a PG or PG thirteen movie or comedy, let me be more specific, comedy can like

I: Yeah.

Mike Maryman: Reel me like really reel me in and have me just kind of have a smile on my face and when it ends it's like that was just a really solid

Mike Maryman: Good movie. And yeah, as a first time watch I was like pretty impressed.

Mike Maryman: w with this movie, uh, and the story and how it turned out. So Happy Texas had me happy in California, so good pick.

Gary Hill: Yeah, I do like this quite a bit too. It was the first time watching me. It's one of those nineties films that I thought I had seen, you know,'cause there's so many nineties posters that that look like the same as this.

Gary Hill: You know. So I had in my brain that I saw the movie, but I never saw the movie.

Gary Hill: I think I've had it confused like clay pigeons or something like that. Like it it just just from a poster point of view, it like it looked it looked very familiar but it wasn't it wasn't though and so it was a nice surprise, you know, to watch this and enjoy much enjoy as much as I did because I I

Gary Hill: I I

Gary Hill: I love Steve's on in just about anything. He always brings he always brings something to the table, including, you know, he's playing the bad guy if you watched the

Gary Hill: The righteous gemstones the last season, he's like the crazy the crazy uncle that was gonna do bad things to the gemstones and yeah it's it's

Gary Hill: Just playing th playing those roles. But um this one is great. Well like like Mike said, they don't

Gary Hill: belittle anybody in the town al I qu although you know you it'd be real easy to do to belittle these small town people and make them seem dumber than they really are. Um Eliana Douglas uh always says that

Gary Hill: That that way about her, that that wide eyed glare that makes me seem so fascinated by everything. I mean I listened to her po and podcasts for not just yours, it's just talk about

Gary Hill: how much she loves the state of Connecticut and I don't I've never been there. I probably have no intention of going there, but I'm fascinated because she loves it so much, you know, and she has that way about her in films that makes me fascinated what she's gonna do next and Um so she's great.

Gary Hill: Um the girls agree. I mean it's really hard for the direct direct children. I think Dante said it best, you know, if you if you cast your own children that you you don't really have a problem. But you know, these ones Yeah, right right down to the end I think we're we're really wonderful and

Gary Hill: This Steve's on this film has as has uh Wayne, Wayne, Wayne. Uh I I love the his his three Wayne's is spectacular. I forgot all about that for some stupid reason.

Gary Hill: Like you said, Mikey's like f falls into to the passion life. Like accidentally he gets left with these children and

Gary Hill: Yeah, he g he gets scolded by Elena Elena Douglas when, you know, the girls' batons catch on fire and that's a fire and ever since then he's all in for this passion life'cause he he falls in love with her, you you you find out and that's great and

Gary Hill: So every time there there's there's like a like a montage sort of scene where he's gonna show the girls how to dance or she you know Kinda sounds like a like a

Gary Hill: Like a frustrated housewife when he's talking to to his friend about all the stuff he has to do and how how important it is and, you know, have you ever did had to do this for to to a stitch or something and, you know

Gary Hill: He's going on and on on about that and it's all it's all gold and I I I love him for that and and I just

Gary Hill: Some people call this film cookie cutter and th you know what and and they they they they they could. I mean is you know you know it's all gonna come together in the end to where

Gary Hill: you know, these guys sorta get what they're looking for as far as like l l the their love interest in the film. Except b well, even Bill Macy finds somebody in the end, yeah, all the way. Yeah, but um

Gary Hill: But and it ends i in a sweet finale to to where you know what, if if if i if them girls singing on a flatbed truck and dancing, does it put a smile on your face? I I don't I don't know what's wrong with ya.

Gary Hill: 'Cause uh it put a smile on my face and uh it was a nice it was a nice wrap up to this film, you know, to me.

Gary Hill: Them singing at a prison and dancing for for the prisoners. It just uh yeah.

Mike: Well, I'll admit that this movie had me on the verge of tears in the scene where uh the Jeremy Northam character is trying to save Chappie, the the um uh William H. Macy character.

Mike: because uh uh MC Gainey is back and Chappie doesn't know that he's in danger and Harry's trying to get him out of danger, and Harry has to break his heart to get him out of there.

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Mike: That was just devastating for me, just watching that scene. Cause I mean, the way again, like not a lot of gay panic in here because the way that Harry and and Chappie

Mike: I mean, at first you're just like, wow, these guys are really becoming good friends. And I really love the scene when I, you know, when does the audience know this? And do we know it before Harry knows it? Do we know it as he's finding out?

Mike: And just to see the way that William H. Macy is playing this scene, especially when he's teaching Harry how to shoot a gun and the way that he puts his hand on Harry and kind of wraps him in his arms and stuff. Yeah.

Gary Hill: Yeah.

Mike: That's just and they're talking about, you know, finding that special someone. So it's you know, it's kind of telegraph but

Mike: As an audience member, I'm just like, oh, this is really good. And just to see the affection that Chappie is showing towards Harry.

Mike: And then I love that Harry starts to reflect that, you know, by the end of the movie, I'm like, well hell man, you know, Champions pretty good catch. You know, I don't necessarily swing that way, but maybe Harry, you know, give it a shot, man.

Gary Hill: You might like it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Gary Hill: I I'd say that our in our I'm I'm gonna call them our our initial gaze, the one they steal the R V from

Mike: Yeah.

Gary Hill: It it's handled it's handled substantially where it's there. D not not the gay panic thing, but you know the the

Gary Hill: I don't want to use the word flaming, but you know, the the their typical late nineties gays in the movies, put it that way. You know.

Mike: But also I love that they're not upset when the uh R V is stolen and that there's just like

Mike: We could live the American dream. We could claim that this was stolen some other time. And seeing Michael Hitchcock in there, who I mostly know from the uh Christopher Guest stuff, I think he also is in.

Mike: He's the he's the one that's in I'm pretty sure he's the one that's in um Serenity, the uh Firefly movie. He's just always great to see. And I was just like, Yeah, again, like you said, like Steven and David, those two characters.

Mike: Yeah, more stereotypical, but I just love how happy they were just like, thank God we don't have to live this pageant life anymore.

Gary Hill: Yeah, oh yeah. What was what do you say? Uh something about if I one more or something version of tomorrow I'm gonna throw up or something like that.

Mike Maryman: Yeah.

Gary Hill: Yeah.

Mike Maryman: Yeah, like he...

Mike Maryman: He made the new small life for you under uh nefarious circumstances, but you don't wanna give it up.

Gary Hill: by Michael Hitchcock.

Gary Hill: Yeah. Uh under a pseudonym directed uh Sleepway Camp two and three if you like those sort of things. Yeah.

Mike: Oh nice.

Gary Hill: I read that summer, I'm like, Really? Well I guess it's true then, you know. That's wild. Um

Gary Hill: Yeah, I dug this quite a bit. I I'd watch it I'd watch it again. Uh I'll kick it back to Mr. Mike Merriman. Uh final thoughts about the film, sir.

Mike Maryman: So I would say uh I mean I know we picked it as a theme well uh for Steve's on.

Mike Maryman: and you definitely get a decent helping of Steve Zahn in this movie, but there's so much more. It's just a funny, warm nineties

Mike Maryman: comedy about a small town. Uh well it takes place in a small town better yet. And uh I think it's fun and it's actually pretty accessible for like

Mike Maryman: I think different movie fans, like it's there's nothing like so particular about it that it would turn off like a whole swath of viewers. I think it

Mike Maryman: you know, you could watch it with a pretty diverse crowd of moviegoers. So I definitely would say give it a shot.

Gary Hill: Cool. Mr. Michael White.

Mike: Yeah, I'm really glad to have seen this again. It's funny that that was the first thing that popped to mind when you mentioned Steve Zahn and it didn't disappoint on a second viewing. I just remembered it so fondly and it's still funny because

Mike: When I talk about good screwball comedies from the nineties, this is usually brought up because, like you said, it plays into a lot of tropes and everything.

Mike: But it handles them so well and actually manages to thread the needle when it comes to you know putting all of these pieces together.

Mike: It doesn't it doesn't drop any of these. You know, it it handles them very masterfully for what could be considered a dumb comedy. I think it's a way smarter movie than people give it credit for.

Gary Hill: Yeah, yeah. Um you mentioned the one scene about

Gary Hill: Teaching a little girl how to punch when little shy little boy I I just die'cause he's he's yelling at her first like this this is why I'm yelling at you, y you didn't put your shoulder into the punch. You know, it's it's that's it's so good. Yeah.

Gary Hill: 'Cause he doesn't know how to act, you know, around them. He's very awkward around them, but at the same time You you can tell that he's gonna you know, at least relate to that one'cause yeah yeah, I I l I love that part in MC Gaines I didn't talk much about him, but

Gary Hill: That that man has a run. I I I I went over with a with a buddy of mine and said l let's look at his M D V and see the shit that M M C uh M C Gandhi has been in that I have not seen that I should see in

Gary Hill: It's it's a long list of people that that are in those films I would love to watch and I I always loved that actor ever since um what'd be the first thing I've seen him in?

Mike: I think for me it was probably Conair or maybe something before that.

Gary Hill: Well, uh the reason why I love hockey, you know, and around the night, um, game five, uh, is the Mighty Duck.

Gary Hill: Right. And he was uh Gordon Bombay's driver in that movie. So probably the first thing I ever seen him in was that. But you know, Breakdown, which is a n is a is uh

Gary Hill: underrated thriller in my opinion with Kurt Russell, which yeah. I talk about that I'll talk about the end. I I had a good beef going because of'cause of Kurt Russell, but whatever.

Gary Hill: Uh but yeah, it's it's it's a very it's a very fun film. It's very it's very nineteen ninety nine, but not in a bad way. I mean just can be watched we watch it t today for the show, you know, for the show we're doing today in It's still just enjoyable.

Gary Hill: It's funny. It's it's fucking heartwarming. It's it's all it's all the things and Yeah, bless uh Ileana Dou Ili Ileana Douglas for having so much personality just just in her facial features and the you know the the way she looks at people and

Gary Hill: I just I just love her and everything. So when you had that

Gary Hill: You got Zon here, you had Elena D Eliana Douglas to d to the fray there, you got Bill Macy in here. All these people make a fine stew in my opinion, which makes this film all the much more enjoyable and

Gary Hill: Yeah, bless this this director for doing this. I didn't even talk about the director actually. I just uh quit writing through it.

Mike: I was looking at the director's career, not a lot. Only two feature films. This and uh two thousand three film called Bookies, which I think I remember the trailer for that. That was uh a Nick Stahl film, uh if you remember back when he would star and stuff.

Mike: And he was mostly a second unit director, but even then not a ton of credits. Um, I didn't look up the he was listed as one of the writers for this. I didn't look up the other two writers, Ed Stone and Phil Reeves, but yeah, Mark Isley

Mike: Not a lot of credits to his name, which is surprising because I don't know how this did at the box office, but obviously I've been a fan since nineteen ninety-nine. But hopefully other people enjoyed this as well.

Gary Hill: Well Ed Stone uh was a writer for this movie and Pause of Fury, The Legend of Hank, whatever that is. Um so um so you didn't

Gary Hill: We'll see the other guy really fast. Well I gotcha gotcha on the line real fast. Phil Reeves is the other writer of this film.

Mike: I think I actually remember Pause of Fury'cause it was kind of a

Mike: Like kung fu panda meets like pub troll-ish type of thing, if memory serves. But yeah, that's funny.

Gary Hill: He didn't do he just wrote this. That's all he ever wrote was this and just acted in a few things. So it kind of makes me sad because I love this film, they didn't do anything else, you know.

Mike: I got a bottle.

Gary Hill: Yes indeed. Um seems like Suzanne, we we got bad weather where we are and she may be out, but um so we're gonna go for this uh next up actually.

Gary Hill: Uh, out of sight from nineteen ninety eight. Um, we're gonna go for that right to the trailer.

H: May only happen a few times.

Gary Hill: Who once?

Mike Maryman: Because it was there and you let it go and you think to yourself, What if I had stopped?

H: Not the bottom of the drawer, please.

H: This is your first time being around.

H: You're doing great. Thank you. Have a nice day.

G: You too.

Mike: Think you flooded it.

G: Get out of the car, sir.

Mike: reason my friend that I don't keep all my money in the bank.

H: Be surprised with all you can get and ask for though.

G: Thank you for letting you back the shotgun.

Gary Hill: I'm a federal marshal Press.

Mike Maryman: Amen.

G: You want to sit down and

Suzanne: Usual experience.

E: Oh what one last score? Retire to somehow.

H: Partial to mountains myself. If you like island, we'll make it an island.

Mike: Happy birthday.

E: It's beautiful.

E: Thanks, Dan.

Gary Hill: Hier man, let me help you with this.

A: I didn't ask for your help.

K: Don't you think?

E: Unexpected tip.

G: I'll just take your car.

A: Vertically integrated.

Mike: I'm into the occasional grand larceny.

Mike Maryman: Home invasion.

I: Hey!

Mike: He waved at you?

A: But I'm pretty sure he's not a good thing.

K: She's shooting men!

H: Dick, they're trying to open up the safe now you're made. Ever wear one of these?

E: I'm a federal officer. I can handle myself.

E: We wanted to tussle. We tussled.

H: Whoops.

H: We wouldn't do that.

Suzanne: Why not?

H: Because you're having too much fun.

Gary Hill: Out of sight, nineteen ninety eight. Um yeah, your cheap plot cheap applause synopsis is this a career bank robber breaks out of jail and shares a moment of mutual attraction with a US Marshal he has kidnapped.

Gary Hill: Um, directed by Steven Sod Steven Soderbergh, you know, I'm I'm a fan of Mr. Soderbergh. Um principal writers, uh based on his book, Elmore Leonard, and Scott Frank is the other writer.

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Gary Hill: George Clooney uh works in Soderbergh a lot actually, as Jack Foley. Uh Jennifer Lopez as Karen Sisko. Uh Bing Rames as Buddy Bragg.

Gary Hill: There's a lot of people. Well Louise Guzman should have been this I love him to death as as Chino

Gary Hill: Uh Dennis Verena as Marshall Cisco, uh Karen's dad, love him in this film too. Um back to Steve Zahn again, of course. Glenn with the shades in the spectrum movie. Uh Don Cheadle as Maurice Miller.

Gary Hill: Uh as Richard Ripley, our our our our rich benefactor, if you will.

Gary Hill: Uh who the fuck plays White Boy Bob? That's gonna make me upset now. But yeah, wa he shows up in this film and a great um

Gary Hill: She's still very attractive today. I got to meet her recently. Uh very sexy Nancy Allen shows up in this movie too and uh

Gary Hill: Even it's seventy something, still still uh still a smoke show. That's all I'll say about that. But uh I'll take to you, Mr. Mike White and uh first uh your thoughts on this film, sir.

Mike: Yeah, it uh again, I saw this one at the theater back in ninety-eight and I remember really liking it and I can't remember if this one did this one come out before Jackie Brown or after Jackie Brown?

Gary Hill: I wanna see Dan it drive me crazy now.'Cause it's ninety seven nine ninety seven or ninety nine. I think Jackie was ninety seven, I think.

Mike: Okay.'Cause I I was not impressed by Jackie Brown. It's one of my least favorite movies and

Mike: I did like how they tied the two films together though. I liked the uh Michael Keaton character being in both of those films. And I really Yeah. And this, you know, does some of the stuff that Tarantino would do where it's

Mike: you know, some of the flashbacks and I like how they keep going back to some earlier scenes and and and telling the story in this nonlinear fashion.

Mike: Being here in Detroit, it was nice seeing some actual fucking locations from Detroit. Um, and actually hear people talk about things the right way. So I wasn't offended by them, you know, talking about

Mike: where uh um uh Albert Brooks's house is and stuff. That was nice. And yeah, this was a real change moment for Soderbergh.

Mike: I mean, I'm sure you guys remember like, you know, coming on the scene with sexualizing videotape, really kind of getting beat up with Kafka, doing King of the Hill and the Underneath, doing that absolutely wonderful and bizarre schizopolis.

Mike: um where it felt like he was really working out like a lot of the art film stuff that he wanted to do, but

Mike: I you know, after this he would kind of do that one for me, one for them type of thing. Um, but but this one, you know, was like this is the next thing. Like I think he did one episode of Grey's Anatomy and then out of sight nineteen ninety eight and then he just

Mike: Kills it. It's like this, the Limey Brockovic traffic, Oceans 11. And he just like keeps going, going, going. This is the first time that he works with Clooney.

Mike: Clooney, yes, he's a handsome man, but I don't know if he's ever looked better than he looks in this movie. And then to put him against J Lo and she is

Mike: freaking amazing in this as well. These two wonderfully attractive people and a really compelling uh mystery slash thriller kind of thing. And man, Don Cheadle.

Mike: Actually being able to bring so much menace to his role when Don Cheadle usually is just always such a nice guy in these movies.

Mike: Yeah, just it feels like you're seeing the beginnings of what we would now consider, you know, the Steven Soderbergh, you know, the the guy who

Mike: brings together all of this great talent, you know, like like you said, Louis Guzman and and uh who he'd work w again with in the Limey or Cheatle and Clooney who he's gonna go on with for the Oceans movies. I mean

Mike: It's just one amazing person after another. And then that cameo at the end was really jaw dropping. I forgot about that. I mean I

Mike Maryman: really have

Mike: I I had forgotten a lot about this movie. I don't know why, but yeah.

Mike Maryman: Yeah.

Mike: Going back and rewatching it, I was really tickled and just

Mike: feels like a great book, um, which it is, but it doesn't feel like, oh, this is so ponderous and just like there's too much stuff going on. I think he trims all the stuff that he needs to trim. I mean, kudos to Scott Frank.

Mike: Love Scott Frank's work. I think most people would now know him from uh The Queen's Gambit, but you know, he did Minority Report and uh some of the Wolverine films and all this. But yeah, he did a great job of adapting Leonard.

Gary Hill: Nice. Uh Mr. Mike Merriman.

Mike Maryman: All right, so the first time I saw this it was not in the theater, it was Once it uh was available to rent back in the old video store days, I guess this was kind of like the beginning of the end of the era of VHS because we're s we we still have rental shops.

Mike Maryman: you know, the decade that preceded it where they were all the rage. Um, but I watched it with a friend and yeah, I absolutely love this movie. And it's it's funny because some people just don't like it. So I was kinda curious.

Mike Maryman: uh how it was gonna be spoken about on this show. But uh yeah, this this cast is amazing. And like uh most of'em already been mentioned, but like even Dennis Farina, Katherine Keener

Mike: Yes.

Mike Maryman: In this uh it it's like every scene someone new shows up and I love that it it feels like it covers time because it's like

Mike Maryman: There's so many different elements to it that it's like you get little flashes of like prison life and then what happens when they're out and they're s they can't quite turn away from the criminal life and

Mike Maryman: I think a real nice touch of in this movie that I think lesser movies wouldn't have stuck with is

Mike Maryman: Uh our two main protagonists don't get together in the end. And I think it would have been so easy and maybe a little cheap to kind of pair them up at the end and say, Oh look, somehow they made it. But I think part of the point of the journey we go on with these characters is like

Mike Maryman: There's just no sensible reason, even though like from an aesthetic

Mike Maryman: Like uh from an aesthetic uh way, they look good together. They they definitely have the sexual chemistry. I mean, we do get the the one scene.

Mike Maryman: the hotel room. Oh yeah. Um the in the in the car trunk. Like it it's so easy to see why.

Mike Maryman: a lesser director finds a way to put them together at the end and say, Oh look, they they ride off into the sunset. But I feel like the story stays true to the characters and

Mike Maryman: This it to me it makes sense. They should not end up together because

Mike Maryman: He is committed to the life of being a criminal and JLo, you know, she is actually a good, honest cop, and that's just not gonna mesh well. Like it

Mike Maryman: they can daydream about it and fantasize about it, but at the end of the day it's just not gonna work. And I really credit the movie for that. And A movie that makes you it like through the journey of it as a viewer, it's like so many reasons you want them to get together, but

Mike Maryman: the major reason that it's just not gonna work. I I think they stick with it. And then just all the scheming in this movie is so

Mike Maryman: well done. I mean, even from the very beginning, like the failed heists like it's oh look, it's such a good idea and foiled by a car that won't start. What do you know? And then the rest of the movie is just like one

Mike Maryman: S uh like uh planned heist that goes wrong after the other. And it's like I i th through the whole movie you can't y I think you're wrestling in your head with are these like genius hardened criminals or are they just like bumbling idiots out like

Mike Maryman: keep falling into like potential situations that this is gonna be the final score and once this happens we can leave this life behind and just it it get everything screws up

Mike Maryman: all the time. And then you have Steve Zahn who's like, yeah, he's like a two-bit criminal, obviously i in over his head uh i eventually uh with everyone that's planning like actual armed robberies.

Mike Maryman: home invasions and you can see the unease on unease in him, in his character. And yeah, it's like you kinda root for him to get away. Not get away with anything, but just get away from the

Mike Maryman: situation. Um and um I I love the scene with uh I don't know the actor's name, but it's J Lo and Uh Maurice one of Maurice's uh I don't know if you you consider him a henchman at the house when she's looking for him and it's the former boxer guy and he's talking He's talking about his dog Tuffy.

Mike Maryman: how she she likes to wrestle or whatever and she pulls out the the night stick baton or whatever it i is at the at the end and just whacks them with it. Just so well done.

Mike Maryman: The uh there's a lot of like one on one scenes in here that are great. And then it it's already been mentioned Michael Keaton.

Mike Maryman: He it it's like a smaller part, but like when he shows up like the first obviously this is the first time I've seen it, so it's not a surprise anymore. But the first time I didn't even know he was in it.

Mike Maryman: And then just when he shows up and he just knocks that scene out of the park, just kind of like that m aloof, kinda awkward.

Mike: Mm-hmm.

Gary Hill: No, the the the the Farina sarcasm and that that scene where he's talking about let's say a guy's got a wife, you know, you don't you know he's talking just about him and he's like looking speechless after that, you know. It's kinda hilarious. Yeah.

Mike Maryman: Yeah, it's just so well done. Um But yeah, overall, huge fan of this uh Soderbergh. I think this might have been what like

Mike: Like

Mike Maryman: got me to look into Soda Bird more'cause I know it wasn't yeah, he had movies before this. I've also read that like for mainstream audiences this is the movie that made Ju George Clean like cool.

Mike Maryman: Like for me, being a horror fan, I remember from best till dawn, like the Gecko brothers

Mike Maryman: I always thought he was cool ever since seeing that, but this kinda like even blew him up even more as kind of like that cool, suave, sexy actor that can play that kind of character in any movie. So

Mike Maryman: Yeah, I I I just I love this one. I I feel like it's it's very entertaining. It's easy to watch just because of all the performances in this, like just scene to scene to scene. It's like

Mike Maryman: Every everyone in the cache is knocking it out of the park. And this I like the score. It plays well.

Mike Maryman: With uh what's going on um in every scene too.

Mike: Oh yeah. Yeah, great point. That score, especially when they're fighting at the end. I'm just like, this is really intense. I love it.

Gary Hill: Yeah, me, I I died this quite a bit. I mean Steve Zahn's character, another one another great one. I mean he's so harmless at this point and and so like easy to to push over is that

Gary Hill: Karen, when she gets in the car with him, she's she rides in their front seat with Natasha. She is unso unthreatened by Glenn that she rides in the front seat with him. Um before they crash, of course.

Gary Hill: Yeah. Yeah, I I love his character in this film with where you know, the whole idea of they they knew him from a lombok and

Gary Hill: If he shows up with those glasses I'm I'm gonna w w s stick em up his ass or something like that. I forget what he says. But yeah.

Mike: I think it says I'm gonna I'm gonna throw him off a bridge and I might take him off first.

Gary Hill: Um yeah, the folks show up in this time. I I love it. That's what I love the most about this actually. Catherine Keener who uh upon my like tenth watch of this film I had to look up because

Gary Hill: I wasn't aware who Catherine Keener was until I saw Death to Smoochie. I know she she had been in things, but yeah, I was like, Is that Katherine fucking Keener?'Cause

Gary Hill: She I I I don't wanna sound sexist, but she's got hips in this movie for days'cause I guess it's what she's wearing or something. And uh I had to look up and say, Yeah, that that's that's her and

Gary Hill: The whole idea of Louise Guzman coming to the house and him being obsessed about the the magician's leg trick with the saw. Mm-hmm. It's like fake legs, fake legs.

Mike: Big legs.

Gary Hill: It's it's so it's such a simple throwaway thing that I I laugh so hard at though'cause he's so disappointed how the how the illusion worked. Um

Gary Hill: J Lo Suzanne is not a fan of J Lo, although that interf as far as, you know, she goes. But I don't think I've ever seen a bad thing J Lo's been in as far as like where she's the star of the vehicle. I mean

Gary Hill: Enough, which is like uh like sleep with the enemy, ki kinda, but but more from a, you know, domestic abuse angle. I I like that quite a bit. Um

Gary Hill: Monster in Law, which is a on paper is a comedy I should not enjoy. But her and Jane Fonda going at it I I have a good time with. It's it's it's a lot of fun.

A: Amen.

Gary Hill: What was the one that was like a lifetime movie? The boy next door, where it was kind of like a lifetime movie, and I I was there for the big screen lifetime movie. I just watched a handful of these things. Uh post uh hand that rocks the cradle. I I watched like

Gary Hill: A good handful of films. They should have been lifetime movies like Fear with Marky Mark.

Gary Hill: just to watch watching the insanity of that movie and I was not disappointed. But uh this film I'm I'm a Soderbergh fan.

Gary Hill: Uh the oceans films live in my house. I'm I'm recording this from from my uh

Gary Hill: my office uh at work and I have a a projector in the office. So when I get out the line I'll probably turn on Danny Ocean as soon as we get out this line, just just to turn it on while I do my paperwork. Um

Gary Hill: But yeah, they're really great together. Him and Ving Rams have great great chemistry.

Gary Hill: Uh, Don Cheadle and h his crew, uh whoever I I wanna say it'd be awesome if it was Prue or Taylor Vince, but I don't think it is though. The guy plays White Boy Bob, um That that'd be be great if it was, but it's not.

Gary Hill: I love their dictionary.

Mike: Loniker, I guess. I I don't know I if I've ever seen him in anything else, but he plays that role so well.

Gary Hill: Mm. Just that that sort of dumb brute henchman. He plays it pretty goddamn well.

Gary Hill: Um it it's it's Leonard, man. I I enjoy all more Leonard stuff. I I push justified onto people as much as possible'cause it's like the perfect T V show to me and That's why my favorite Elmore Learn thing was was justified and not so much the second series, but the first series is

Gary Hill: is gold. Um, if I haven't pushed that series up on the beef listeners, I I'm pushing on you again to to go watch Justify if you haven't yet. Um

Gary Hill: But this is great, like you said, the score plays a role pr pretty well in the film. You know, really really fits well with the actors. They all have great introductions as characters. Um

Gary Hill: Dennis Farina for the short time we were w we're with him. I mean y you get quality time with her, even even in the end where she's gonna go transport him and he's on the phone with her, st still still questioning, but but in in a playful way. So basically

Gary Hill: Are are you gonna go, you know, gonna drive'em to prison, you know? Are you still in love with them i in a way?'Cause even though that whole interaction

Gary Hill: Yeah, started out bad but he he being playful about, you know, pop culture references and stuff while while they're stuck in a trunk with a gun in her back. She she's she's

Gary Hill: She's very aware where her gun is, obviously, but you know, she's getting mucked up with this guy that's covered in dirt and shit.

Gary Hill: But they're still talking about like Warren Beatty and and Bay Dunway and and Bonnie and Clyde, you know, playfully in the trunk of a car and That chemistry there is so I think that's a big a big part of this film is the chemistry that's there and how You know, uh Albert Brooks who

Gary Hill: I love it just about anything. I mean he he had some roles Yeah, here and like a couple years later he would he would play that role that great role in J in Drive with with Ryan Gosling.

Gary Hill: But like he plays it's sort of slimy, but at the same time he's kinda he's kind of a cuck too, these to these criminals'cause they all know that he's full of shit.

Gary Hill: He offers our our man a shack a shitty job a at his p at his place once he gets out and

Gary Hill: He basically calls him a fucking cuck at his office, like that they just uh to tell him, Yeah, yeah, we we we saved your ass in prison from them just like going at you every day and this is what you decide you do me and yeah, all this stuff and even in the end he just like, you know

Gary Hill: hiding, you know, supporting Nancy Allen could probably get raped and beat up in another movie, but not in this movie. And But she she's into it apparently, so does that, you know, but I um I don't wanna go too far in this thing be it's it's really it's really enjoyable and um

Gary Hill: I uh I would recommend anybody anybody check it out. Even if you're not such a fan like Suzanne of J Lo, go enjoy some some Karen Cisco, which I looked for the T V show to watch, you know, streaming or illegal.

Gary Hill: And I could not get it, but apparently there was a T V show.

Mike: Oh yeah, Canada Cisco.

Gary Hill: Charlie Gugino, Robert Forster and Bill Duke, which is a winning combination for me, but

Gary Hill: I couldn't even find it to steal. So which made me sad. So so I was all gun go about watching. I was there in the cast. I was like, Well I gotta watch this though. But yeah, ten episodes is all you got o that, but I I was

Gary Hill: Looking forward to checking it out. I couldn't even find it to steal, you know, so I don't ca I don't like say, hey, go out and steal the internet. But if you can't find it anywhere, what can go out and steal it? Okay.

Gary Hill: I'll kick it to a final thoughts. Mr. Mike Merriman, what do you think, sir? Final thoughts.

Mike Maryman: I would say that uh if you haven't seen this movie, you very likely have seen

Mike Maryman: a good amount of body of work of each participant in this movie. So if you want to see them all together in a huge ensemble cast that is just fun.

Mike Maryman: funny, uh some action, some attempted heist gone wrong stuff.

Mike Maryman: Um and just a good time. Definitely check out out of sight. I uh earlier this year

Mike Maryman: I don't think it was uh released this year, but I but I did grab it this year, the Criterion four K of uh Out of Sight. So it is part of my permanent collection now and I

Mike Maryman: Highly recommend. I think it's Criterion. I I could be wrong that it's Criterion, but I did I did grab the four K.

Mike Maryman: So obviously that means I recommend it'cause I tr I d my collecting days are a lot different now than they used to be in my twenties when I was just like, Oh, I kinda like this. I'll I'll I'll grab it. Now I try to stick with just stuff that I can see myself watching over and over so

Mike Maryman: That's about as high I recommend I could have as I spent money to own it, so watch it.

Gary Hill: Good enough, good enough.

Mike: Yeah, I uh again, I don't know why I haven't seen this one since it was originally out in ninety-eight. Um, but yeah, this is probably one of my favorite Elm or Leonard adaptations. And you know, I I

Mike: You guys know me, I pick on Tarantino a lot, but this kind of is the movie that I wish Jackie Brown had been, um, just because uh it Jackie Brown's use of the uh fractured timeline for me just didn't work'cause they did it the one time at the end and just showed us the same

Mike: Seen basically from three, four points of view. And I I really didn't need that. I just needed it to be edited together a lot better. This feels like it's

Mike: Soderberg doing Tarantino by other than Tarantino. You know, you mentioned the whole thing of the trunk and the pop culture references and these things. It didn't feel heavy-handed. I mean, that's like

Mike: Making pop culture references at this moment in time was such a Tarantino thing to do and inspired so many people to start doing that kind of stuff in movies.

Mike: But Soderberg just it just felt so natural. And it felt very much like this is what George Clooney would say in the moment rather than this is something very clever that either Scott Frank or Elmore Leonard wrote.

Mike: that I think would be a great thing in this moment would make everybody laugh. It just felt very natural to these characters. And yeah, um I I don't know where I stand on J Lo as an actress. I

Mike: I have never gone out of my way to see a movie or avoid a movie just because she's in it when she shows up. I mean

Mike: She wasn't in she was in Jigly, but I didn't see that one, which I know is the notorious bomb, but I have seen some of her stuff where I'm like, yeah, she's pretty decent. This I think she's very decent.

Mike: And yeah, you can't get a better cast of characters than this. So many just wonderful folks to see.

Gary Hill: We talked about money we talked about money train a long time ago on the show and

Mike Maryman: Money track.

Gary Hill: I didn't hate her on that, but the movie's just not very good, you know.

Mike Maryman: I I like turn U turn if you guys have seen that I mean.

Gary Hill: Yeah, yeah.

Mike Maryman: Yeah. And uh just to correct myself, it's not Cartion, it was Kino. Kino that is uh the out of sight 4K.

Gary Hill: Yeah, even the step of the trunk though felt very you know, to me'cause I watched the live films because because my grandmother, a lot of the like the Rock Hudson Doris Day stuff.

Gary Hill: It felt like very you know, playful, romantic stuff like that to me, even though they were in a trunk, you know, with with a gun to her back and it just kinda felt that way, kinda like real m real me cute stuff but we're in a very bad situation.

Gary Hill: I don't know if that was intentional or w what that was, but I'm sorry, who's talking?

Mike Maryman: I was gonna say, look, Gary, we haven't got peak JLo.

Mike Maryman: as much as we did being leered at by John Voigt on a boat in Anaconda. Oh man.

Mike: Calling her baby bird.

I: Yeah.

Gary Hill: The the acts that deserves a credit in that movie is all say about that movie. Yeah.

Gary Hill: Yeah, but I dug this quite a bit though. Um, I'd say something else too. Dang.

Gary Hill: It's in the back of my brain too. But yeah, the the r the romantic stuff. But I I remember it was now. Clues it was a long time ago which I think it was I I I kinda you know go back and forth in the scene of the trunk and the in this movie.

Gary Hill: Where I I shouldn't enjoy again, I shouldn't should shouldn't enjoy this so much, but Clooney's so goddamn charismatic and everything he's in. Uh, one fine day with him and Michelle Pfeiffer that felt very Rock Hudson endorsed day, so I kinda went back to that movie.

Gary Hill: while I was watching this scene, thinking about, you know, his respect of you know past actors and the processes they went through and pretty much speak up for anything, you know, but in in his own way and

Gary Hill: Uh I just uh I I dig a little stuff about that and like you said, Farina doing stuff and everybody ever everybody doing playing the role very well. Even even the smallest of roles. And I I I I dug I du I dig all of it.

Gary Hill: I will leave it at that and uh we will come back and close out the show.

K: And now

Gary Hill: Lucky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

K: Again

G: Nothing up, must leave. Presto!

G: I take a seven and a half.

K: Now here's something we hope you'll really like.

Mike Maryman: Sam and Eddie have come to a critical point in their musical career. We're gonna get it up!

J: Yeah, put your hands in the air and wave'em like you just don't care. Let me hear you say.

K: Oh right.

A: Did you crack this, guys?

A: Very sound.

Mike: Yeah. Isn't safe.

Mike Maryman: ¿Quieres saber?

Mike: Well I work for.

H: Me.

Mike Maryman: Big fat break here.

Mike Maryman: Please go!

H: Give the two of you one week.

H: on the both of you

Mike: With the stamps.

Mike: Is it breaking into my dad's safe?

K: Paper cut or raspberry. This man is in He's not gonna let us off the hook because Momasket of sundry good.

A: I once sold a

Mike Maryman: It's a crime.

Mike: Relax, he's not gonna kill you.

G: Safe man. There's somebody in your field to act like a sissy. What?

Gary Hill: Well that's another one in the books. Uh we have one more of these Zan shows coming this month, but uh

Gary Hill: next week oh well next time you'll hear the show it will be uh for the fathers this time. Father's Day's coming up and we're doing uh two films for that. Uh

Gary Hill: Two films basically about dads that are on the road with their sons and doing murderous devious things. Uh Road to Perdition with uh t with the um I said Tom Cruise. Tom Hanks.

Gary Hill: And and and probably I think it's Paul Newman's last role is in this movie. And uh great uh Jude Lacher and uh we'll talk about that w when we get to it.

Gary Hill: And uh Shogun Assassin on another on the road dad killing movie. Uh yeah, so we're putting those things two things together for Father's Day episode and I'm looking forward to it.

Gary Hill: It was gonna be Road of Predition and Paper Moon, but I decided against it. I d don't ask you why I like both those things, but you know Sugar Assassin is gonna be fun to talk about and I think the other one too.

Gary Hill: But uh I'll kick it to our guests first. Mr. Mike White, uh if they don't know by now you you you do a small show that people I I hope they know by now. But tell us tell us what you do and give us all your plugs and everything, sir.

Mike: Well I do a weekly movie podcast called the Projection Booth. I've been doing it for about fifteen years now.

Mike: Um yeah, it's a lot of fun. Hopefully people enjoy it. Talk about some interesting usually films over there. So yeah, stop on by that and all the other shows that I work on.

Mike: at we are at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. So Weirdingway Media dot com where you can get that. The Shabby Detective, which is the Colombo show I do.

Mike: Oh gosh, quite a few things. So I I really hope folks stop by there. We've got some shows that I'm not on as well, which I would recommend too. So thanks so much, Gary, for having me. I really appreciate this. And Mike, it's been great talking with you.

Mike Maryman: Yeah, it was a really fun time. Come back for sure.

Gary Hill: Yeah, I always uh I I I I'm sure you you you you blush because I I always consider you you know, true the t the two mics that got me into this crazy thing, you you and Mike Murphy and uh

Gary Hill: That that makes you a mentor'cause I kind of feel the same way th you feel about Tarantino now. There were there was a point in his career where he he used the N word like it was his and I think that's where I just

Gary Hill: I I ch I took off the rose tinned glasses and I said, you know what? Maybe it's not so good. You know Oh gosh.

Gary Hill: Mr Mike Merriman, what you got coming up, sir?

Mike Maryman: Alright, well the weekly show Fresh Cuts covering all the new release horror. Well, at least one a week.

Mike Maryman: And it's funny'cause May we had like a horror movie almost every week in the theater. June it's been a little more slim picking, so we've turned to V O D, which can sometimes be rough. Sometimes it's harder to uh pencil something in too because everyone subscribes to different things and

Mike Maryman: Um what do we do? I don't even remember what we did last I think it was something off Tubi. We we settled for a two and I don't think it was a Tubi original. I think it was just on there. Oh you know what? Satartinalia Yeah.

Gary Hill: Think so.

Mike Maryman: Yeah.

Mike: Low.

Mike Maryman: budget indie homage to like Argento sorta. At least because I use a lot of red and blue light in it. Outside of that, I I don't know how much of a homage it is, but uh

Mike Maryman: Yeah, so uh I mean I wanna say the ne I I know there's a couple movies coming out this month, horror wise, but the next big one I think is July, which would be Evil Dead Burn. Um uh uh my guess it's well, you know, I don't wanna predict too much'cause you never know but

Mike Maryman: It's probably gonna divide people into like the OG Evil Dead era versus the new era. And then there's the people that like'em all, so uh there's gonna be probably three camps. But uh

Mike Maryman: The other show, the main one is Normal Room in Hell. And uh I know Derek has his pick.

Mike Maryman: I don't think we have it scheduled yet, but the latest we did is probably the same one I mentioned last week. We did uh it was Venom's picks and the final week of his anime and so he did uh or we did vampire hunter d bloodlust paired it with wicked city so a couple classics there

Mike Maryman: And uh other than that I show up various places, but those are the two main things you'll catch me on. So there we go.

Gary Hill: Yeah, we're um

Gary Hill: Trying to get torch the show together, the next thing that'll be up for that would be uh Comanche Moon. But in the meantime to hear those guys, Cameron and Lee, go check out Cameron on um the Cinema Degeneration Podcast Network and uh

Gary Hill: Leon They Must Be Destroyed on Site Podcast, uh those are my uh two podcasts and brothers right there that uh we did do more torture shows. We uh Comanche Moon will be next for the for the in the in the Walter Hill Ouvre of of of shows.

Gary Hill: Um but um yeah, I mentioned what's coming next and um looking forward to that. It's gonna be a fun

Gary Hill: I don't know, next three months I have plans which never happens in my brain. Might If you're ever on Mike's show, Mike has

Mike: Yeah.

Gary Hill: God bless you, sir. You you you're you're uh you're doing the Lord's work and everything, man.

Mike: It's my OCD.

Gary Hill: That's fine. That's fine. You know. You you got all got all s all all uh

Mike: I was gonna say I heard that.

Mike Maryman: Yeah. That's actually the way to do it. I do it the old school dumb way, post it notes all over the place. I don't know why I don't just open a spreadsheet and and type stuff in.

Gary Hill: You know, I'm I'm out I'm out like you though where I write something down on a on a small piece of paper and then you get to the desk or wherever you're at and you and it's gone and probably felt the glue probably gave way or something, but you ask who who who touched my workspace, you know.

Mike Maryman: Oh, there's nothing like a page of show notes and then the show for whatever reason has to get postponed a week and then you go back to where you had it and it's gone and you're just like, Oh, okay, no notes

Gary Hill: It's it's like that guy that touches your good pen. I'm I think I'm a g I'm I'm good pen old now, see

Gary Hill: D do you have the good pen, Mike? Uh either one of you mics say that have a good pen that you y you know, you covet. Yeah.

Mike Maryman: Yeah, it's probably lost in my kids' room right now.

Gary Hill: Oh I guess. I believe the old men talk there. But go listen to Projection Booth. Go listen to all these shows the that you know you should be listening to.

Gary Hill: Iris coming back in August to do an episode with us. I'm looking forward to that. Oh cool. Yeah. Before that though, uh the B B and B C podcast will be back with uh

Gary Hill: My other Mike, my other mister Mr Mr. Mike Murphy and and the that crew. So that's making a comeback. So lots of folks are working, including myself. So I'm I'm gonna keep on working'cause I

Gary Hill: It makes you feel good, man. And uh I makes you feel good when when you come back, Mr Mike, right?'Cause

Gary Hill: You know, y you don't have to, but you put up you put up with me and I love it for you, okay? You know.

Mike: Well, I'm you I'm a big fan, Gary.

Gary Hill: Gary.

Mike Maryman: Gary, you know enough of us now that if you ever start a band it could be Gary and the Mike's.

Gary Hill: There's at least there's at least there's three mics at least, so there's that, yeah.

Gary Hill: Who can play the bass guitar, le uh let alone the stand up bass? Yeah, we need we need that guy.

Mike Maryman: Yeah.

Mike: We are legion.

Gary Hill: We we need we need the Charles Martin Smith or the Buddy Holly uh trio there.

Gary Hill: Playing that stand up bass. Yeah.

Mike: Yeah.

Gary Hill: All right, I'm gooping around. This is the end of the program. Uh this has been your Cinema Beef Podcast, Reb. You got beef. We've got the grinder. See you next time.

J: Mm.

Mike Maryman: How about a nice greasy

Outro: Pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray.